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		<title>By: Eric</title>
		<link>http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/02/24/iowa-voter-irrelevancy-act/#comment-2927</link>
		<dc:creator>Eric</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 16:45:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry,

We are part of a representative republic, a greater form of government that democracy because it is a system that protects the minority.  The framers of the constitution knew well that great differences in politics were present between urban and rural voters, and even if the urban voters outnumbered those living in rural areas, those rural voters still needed to be represented, so each person&#039;s vote was given different weighting with respect to how many votes it takes to elect a delegate.

The problem with going to a NPV system is that the issues matter to rural Americans will be largely ignored because a candidate only needs to get 50% + 1 vote.  It will be far easier to build a constituency pandering only to the more liberal urban population than by having a conversation  with the entire country.   

We are a country that has many different ideas about which direction to head, and the minority must have a voice.  This plan effectively shuts out that minority in 2 of the 3 branches of the Federal Government.  More importantly, it undermines the basic tenets of our Republic.

&quot;A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship.&quot;

Alexander Fraser Tyler, &quot;The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry,</p>
<p>We are part of a representative republic, a greater form of government that democracy because it is a system that protects the minority.  The framers of the constitution knew well that great differences in politics were present between urban and rural voters, and even if the urban voters outnumbered those living in rural areas, those rural voters still needed to be represented, so each person&#8217;s vote was given different weighting with respect to how many votes it takes to elect a delegate.</p>
<p>The problem with going to a NPV system is that the issues matter to rural Americans will be largely ignored because a candidate only needs to get 50% + 1 vote.  It will be far easier to build a constituency pandering only to the more liberal urban population than by having a conversation  with the entire country.   </p>
<p>We are a country that has many different ideas about which direction to head, and the minority must have a voice.  This plan effectively shuts out that minority in 2 of the 3 branches of the Federal Government.  More importantly, it undermines the basic tenets of our Republic.</p>
<p>&#8220;A democracy cannot exist as a permanent form of government. It can only exist until the voters discover that they can vote themselves money from the Public Treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidate promising the most benefits from the Public Treasury with the result that a democracy always collapses over loose fiscal policy always followed by dictatorship.&#8221;</p>
<p>Alexander Fraser Tyler, &#8220;The Decline and Fall of the Athenian Republic&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/02/24/iowa-voter-irrelevancy-act/#comment-2847</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 16:01:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All4Iowa,

So you want your vote to count double, right?  How is that different from yelling, &quot;Me First! Me First!&quot; ???</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All4Iowa,</p>
<p>So you want your vote to count double, right?  How is that different from yelling, &#8220;Me First! Me First!&#8221; ???</p>
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		<title>By: All4Iowa</title>
		<link>http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/02/24/iowa-voter-irrelevancy-act/#comment-2845</link>
		<dc:creator>All4Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 15:49:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay, Jerry, I am thinking in terms of voters.  Guess what, Iowa doesn&#039;t have very many of them compared to other states with huge cities.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay, Jerry, I am thinking in terms of voters.  Guess what, Iowa doesn&#8217;t have very many of them compared to other states with huge cities.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/02/24/iowa-voter-irrelevancy-act/#comment-2837</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 04:41:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Abregar,

If this bill passes the elections won&#039;t be dominated by any states.  States won&#039;t matter.  Only voters will matter.  The election will be dominated by voters.  Does that scare you?

I didn&#039;t say the EC was &quot;preventing the candidates from spending any time in those states.&quot;  Your post claims the the EC assures small states WILL get recognized.  I pointed out that you were wrong because it has not helped most small states get any campaign visits or TV commercials or anything at all that would indicate they are being courted.

The EC does NOT help small states.  Stop thinking in terms of states.  Think in terms of voters.  Do Republicans in NY feel empowered during Presidential electons?  Do they feel empowered in Mass, or Maryland?  Why should candidates be allowed to ignore those voters?

With NPV  more people will vote, because every vote will count equally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Abregar,</p>
<p>If this bill passes the elections won&#8217;t be dominated by any states.  States won&#8217;t matter.  Only voters will matter.  The election will be dominated by voters.  Does that scare you?</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t say the EC was &#8220;preventing the candidates from spending any time in those states.&#8221;  Your post claims the the EC assures small states WILL get recognized.  I pointed out that you were wrong because it has not helped most small states get any campaign visits or TV commercials or anything at all that would indicate they are being courted.</p>
<p>The EC does NOT help small states.  Stop thinking in terms of states.  Think in terms of voters.  Do Republicans in NY feel empowered during Presidential electons?  Do they feel empowered in Mass, or Maryland?  Why should candidates be allowed to ignore those voters?</p>
<p>With NPV  more people will vote, because every vote will count equally.</p>
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		<title>By: Woodrow Spaur</title>
		<link>http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/02/24/iowa-voter-irrelevancy-act/#comment-2836</link>
		<dc:creator>Woodrow Spaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 02:46:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Why would a candidate want to come and spend time and money here if the outcome of our election didnt matter? This bill would pretty much make Iowa a state that wouldnt matter. The only thing that would matter would be winning the popular votes of the largest cities once thats done Iowa&#039;s vote wouldnt matter as the electoral votes would go to the one with most popular votes. I can see no reason why they would want to come spend hardly any time and money from that point on. They would be hitting the biggest cities in the United States cities bigger than the whole state of Iowa. If you can see this happening then you better take the blinders off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Why would a candidate want to come and spend time and money here if the outcome of our election didnt matter? This bill would pretty much make Iowa a state that wouldnt matter. The only thing that would matter would be winning the popular votes of the largest cities once thats done Iowa&#8217;s vote wouldnt matter as the electoral votes would go to the one with most popular votes. I can see no reason why they would want to come spend hardly any time and money from that point on. They would be hitting the biggest cities in the United States cities bigger than the whole state of Iowa. If you can see this happening then you better take the blinders off.</p>
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		<title>By: abregar</title>
		<link>http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/02/24/iowa-voter-irrelevancy-act/#comment-2835</link>
		<dc:creator>abregar</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 22:21:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jerry, It isn&#039;t the electoral college that is preventing the candidates from spending any time in those states. It is the make up of the states themselves. Why should a candidate campaign in a state if he or she has no chance of winning that state. It will only get worse if this worthless pile of trash gets passed. This bill is not a pro-democracy bill it is a pro-tyranny bill. If this comes to pass the election will become dominated by the larger, more populous states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jerry, It isn&#8217;t the electoral college that is preventing the candidates from spending any time in those states. It is the make up of the states themselves. Why should a candidate campaign in a state if he or she has no chance of winning that state. It will only get worse if this worthless pile of trash gets passed. This bill is not a pro-democracy bill it is a pro-tyranny bill. If this comes to pass the election will become dominated by the larger, more populous states.</p>
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		<title>By: Zero Tolerance</title>
		<link>http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/02/24/iowa-voter-irrelevancy-act/#comment-2829</link>
		<dc:creator>Zero Tolerance</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 15:59:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I say we start a movement to impeach the Democrats who passed this bill out of committee. They have started the ball going to ruin Iowa. And I must wonder WHY are they pushing this bill? Did they receive campaign money to push such crap on us?

These people- Democrats- are thumbing their noses at the Constitution. Let&#039;s not let them succeed. They need removed from from their position of attempted power.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I say we start a movement to impeach the Democrats who passed this bill out of committee. They have started the ball going to ruin Iowa. And I must wonder WHY are they pushing this bill? Did they receive campaign money to push such crap on us?</p>
<p>These people- Democrats- are thumbing their noses at the Constitution. Let&#8217;s not let them succeed. They need removed from from their position of attempted power.</p>
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		<title>By: Jerry</title>
		<link>http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/02/24/iowa-voter-irrelevancy-act/#comment-2828</link>
		<dc:creator>Jerry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 13:43:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Woodrow: This doesn&#039;t affect the caucus system.  Canditates will still come to Iowa.

Abregar:  Candidates didn&#039;t spend much time in the small states of ND, ID, WY, RI, DE, HI, AK, SD, NE, UT in the last few elections, did they?  Research shows they don&#039;t buy TV ads there either.  The electoral college is not doing what you say it does.   Hawaii has even passed this law!

Small states are already overrepresented in the government because they have two senators even if they have only one Congressman..

This is a pro-democracy bill.  One person, one vote, no matter where they live.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Woodrow: This doesn&#8217;t affect the caucus system.  Canditates will still come to Iowa.</p>
<p>Abregar:  Candidates didn&#8217;t spend much time in the small states of ND, ID, WY, RI, DE, HI, AK, SD, NE, UT in the last few elections, did they?  Research shows they don&#8217;t buy TV ads there either.  The electoral college is not doing what you say it does.   Hawaii has even passed this law!</p>
<p>Small states are already overrepresented in the government because they have two senators even if they have only one Congressman..</p>
<p>This is a pro-democracy bill.  One person, one vote, no matter where they live.</p>
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		<title>By: Woodrow Spaur</title>
		<link>http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/02/24/iowa-voter-irrelevancy-act/#comment-2823</link>
		<dc:creator>Woodrow Spaur</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Feb 2009 03:52:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tell me what reason would the candidates have coming to Iowa from then on if this is passed. You would concentrate on the largest cities amass the vote iowa would be in the bag no matter how we voted. I enjoyed meeting the candidates and listening to them and their ideas. I dont want this to change i would like to continue having a voice and choice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tell me what reason would the candidates have coming to Iowa from then on if this is passed. You would concentrate on the largest cities amass the vote iowa would be in the bag no matter how we voted. I enjoyed meeting the candidates and listening to them and their ideas. I dont want this to change i would like to continue having a voice and choice.</p>
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		<title>By: All4Iowa</title>
		<link>http://iowadefensealliance.com/2009/02/24/iowa-voter-irrelevancy-act/#comment-2818</link>
		<dc:creator>All4Iowa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:54:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree, Raymond, our representation is being lost and it will be detrimental to small states.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree, Raymond, our representation is being lost and it will be detrimental to small states.</p>
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