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Culvers bright Idea for future is to take Iowa back to train travel?

Once upon a time in America you traveled by foot, then horse, then stage coach, then train and finally plane. Each  faster than the other. It would take days to travel from west coast to east coast by train and this remained the mode of travel til airplanes came along and cut the days down to hours. Now our not so  bright governor instead of promoting more daily airline flights to Chicago  from Des Moines or Cedar Rapids is taking us back to the past. Now if the airline industry can’t hardly  get enough  passengers every day to maintain daily flights to  Chicago from Des Moines or Cedar Rapids just how is Amtrak going to get enough passengers every day?  Amtrak is a lot faster than the old steam engines i did find some speed records of over 100 miles per hour in 1930s from steam engines but in this day and age of speed and super fast internet and cell phones we want to get there as quick as possible.  I could fly from Des Moines to Chicago go to a Cubs game and fly back home before the train would even get there.

I looked up Grey Hound it would get there about as fast as Amtrak would. It costs $162 dollars for a round trip from Ottumwa to Chicago and Amtrak is losing money. But Gov. Culver is working with Amtrak officials “to make Chicago-to-Iowa possible,” at a price ranging from $40 to $50 for a roundtrip ticket. That would take 3 times the passengers to equal the cost of the Ottumwa Amtrak trip.  So you can tell right away that this will lose money from the get go not to mention the $50+ million for track upgrade. They are planning on calling it the Chicago Flyer it ought to be named Rip Off Express!  Amtrak officials are expecting 120,000 to 190,000 passengers a year for this line i would like to know where they will get all these passengers to appear to ride something thats a by gone era of transportation. I guess everyone in Des Moines better least plan on one train trip a year! Well when were paying for it why not put it through?  Taxpayers provide over $100 for every 1000 miles traveled by each Amtrak passenger. This is turning out to be more of a political payback than necessity. I just can’t envision a multitude of Iowan’s  this day and age who would want to take so long to get there and back we want to get there faster and quicker not back to 1930s or 40s time. Because if that was the case more people would be driving to Ottumwa and riding Amtrak now.

In years past, Culver said, “Passenger rail really connected people in the Midwest. I think people miss that. … People are rather nostalgic about what this used to mean to their town.”   I’m sure the average Iowan or American wants to spend 10 hours on a train and think they are doing it for nostalgic reasons. I don’t know why even Culver is so thrilled with the passenger train idea since he was only 4 when Des Moines last had a regularly scheduled passenger train service that ended on  May 31, 1970, when the Rock Island Lines’ Chicago-Council Bluffs Cornbelt Rocket ceased operations. So please Governor tell us of your train rides back in the good ole days i would be thrilled to death to hear you tell some tall tales. Maybe you was on the train with Babe Ruth!?  Not considering he died in 1948 and you wasn’t born til 1966. I don’t think being nostalgic is worth this cost. I should run for governor i think the old west was pretty wild so i will bring back a stage coach line to Chicago and have bandits shoot at passengers.  Boy that sounds nostalgic doesn’t it !?

Amtrak has never turned a profit and your telling me  in these times when we need to carefully spend money that this is a good idea. I don’t think we need to be spending money on a  upgrade of a blast from the past. I think  he’s got some money invested in this hoping to reap big rewards from the government.  I got news for Culver were BROKE and printing money faster than Parker Brothers for Monopoly. Its a matter of time before it devaluates and becomes worthless.  I’m 43 and have had no interest in going to Chicago or reason to go there in my lifetime. I would rather see the money spent creating jobs in Iowa not making another Amtrak non profit line.

July 30, 2009 - Posted by iowanforabetteriowa | Iowanforabetteriowa, Politics | , , , , , , ,

6 Comments »

  1. Heres another reason why Amtrak losing money. Denver to Chicago it takes 18 hours and 40 min during the night so you want to lay down and rest the one way ticket is $598.00. A round trip would be $1196.00 plus tax and over 37 hours of NOSTALGIC travel time. I went to United Airlines you can fly the same trip in 2hours 29 min round trip right around 5 hours for $512.00 well less than half be there and back while your nostalgic train ride even gets there. Now if you want to sit in a seat and not get very good rest it will cost you $372 dollars round trip. I dont know about any of you but i would rather pay the $140 more for plane ticket so i wouldn’t spend the better part of 2 days going across some boring scenery of the mid west. Kansas and Nebraska not much for sight seeing and the train ride would be at night on way from Denver. So wont see any thing. You could fly in from Denver to Chicago watch the Broncos play the Bears and fly back home in half time it takes the train to even get there it would still be over 9 hours away from Chicago. Being nostalgic isnt worth the cost and time you end up spending on this mode of travel. Unless its not a bullet train that goes over 250 mph and prices are more reasonable its just not worth it.

    Comment by Woodrow | July 30, 2009 | Reply

  2. If they build better tracks in Iowa, you’ll get that part of your wish: the money will be spent here.

    I recommend a trip to Chicago to the Field Museum. Your kids will be impressed.

    Comment by Jerry | July 30, 2009 | Reply

  3. Another failing rail system for the taxpayer to shoulder the costs.
    Having been stationed in Japan for 4 years, I can tell you that all of the private rail lines are on time and make a profit. The government run rail line costs more to ride and loses money.

    Comment by Tom Shaw | July 30, 2009 | Reply

  4. That wont create very many jobs in Iowa the railroad uses pretty fancy machines to lay track these days.So it would need people who know how to operate them not some joe blow off the street. Maybe hire a few ticket agents and some conductors for the trains. My Point is Jerry it wont even make back the initial costs of the track upgrade let alone the costs of engines and car’s and daily operating costs from running nearly empty trains from Des moines to Chicago every day so why spend it. I wanted to see some invest in the future something speedier than our current car,train,bus,planes not something that going to take over 10 hours to get there and back. Iowa is not in the financial situation to be spending money on a Amtrak that will be a money pit. Just throwing it and get nothing back.The governent has been doing that with Amtrak since 1971. Next year were going to have major budget problems in Iowa.

    Comment by iowanforabetteriowa | July 30, 2009 | Reply

  5. Question: Is land through which the track goes rented by the landowner to the RR or does the RR buy the land? I know in some states there have been scams surrounding rental dollars and land purchases…just curious if anybody knows how this works in IA….

    Comment by neighhay | July 31, 2009 | Reply

  6. Im not sure on the details of the land involved ive heard they want to run it in the median between east and west bound I-80 lanes with culver involved im about sure someone will lose some farm land to this

    Comment by iowanforabetteriowa | July 31, 2009 | Reply


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